What makes one band good and another band suck? Everything is subjective. Some people might try to convince you that it is black and white, that there is a formula for good music. If that were the case the major labels would churn out superstar after superstar. Other than Justin Beiber and briefly Adel, we have no superstars any more because despite the fact that the major labels try to convince us that the bands they are pushing are "good", people aren't falling for it.
Not to say this is the way to determine what is good, but it is simply the method I use: If you hear it once and can’t get it out of your head, then it’s good. If you have to listen to it multiple times to warm up to it, then it is less than good.
Unknown and unheard by most, the new EP titled Debut by the band Skinny Bitches is a breath of fresh air in the otherwise overwhelming stench of today’s up and comers. They are polished, and flawed and quietly strepitous. Their songs have hooks, and their lyrics have meaning. They are, without a doubt, good. In a sea of mediocrity, from north of the border in the town of Toronto the beacon of Skinny Bitches shines through.
The band is a two piece with Robyn Craig on lead vocals and drums, and Ricardo Temporao on lead vocals and guitar. The pair’s vocals play off one another in a Buckingham / Nicks fashion that fits. The music is high energy guitar driven dance-rock, and the lyrics are sharp and insightful. In the break up song Is You Suffering, Ricardo sings "I don't like it when you're hurt, but I kind of hope you're wounded" and Robyn sings "nothing validates love like the aching eyes that watch it move on."
In a recent email exchange, Ricardo and I were able to discuss the band’s origins, it’s influences, and it’s possible future.
ME: Tell me about the formation of Skinny Bitches.
Ricardo: Robyn and I were old friends who had lost touch for a year before we ran into each other in early 2011. She had been playing drums for nearly 2 years. I was about a year removed from swearing off bands forever and was hosting the occasional open mic night for beer money and tepid applause. We discussed hanging out jamming just for fun (though I secretly wanted to be in a band again). I emailed her a couple of demos I recorded at home and a couple of weeks later we met at the jam space she shared with her bandmates in a group called "Ravaged by Wolves". As soon as Robyn opened her mouth to sing along with me, I knew I had to steal her from the wolves.
I suggested the name "Skinny Bitches". It was inspired by listening to one of my female co-workers talk with sweet derision about some girls down the hall. Within 6 months we played our first show for friends, but I was having a hard time sort out how to get the right sound live. We played a bunch of small shows in Toronto and Montreal and things began to progress.
Still, I had to figure out how to make a 2 piece more loud and less shitty, so I went around to guitar shops asking pedal wizards and guitar techs for advice on a simple yet effective setup. It took a lot of experimenting and renting gear but I sorted out what worked for me. I followed that by listening almost exclusively to Death From Above and Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" for about 6 months. We kept playing shows and I started figuring out how to write for a male/female vocal combo.
In February of 2012 we spent a weekend in Hamilton recording with a soundguy who said he like us and wanted to release our stuff on his label but for whatever reason, the mixes never got done and the whole thing fizzled. It was disheartening, but we decided to move forward and try recording on our own. We went to a small studio to record drums and I did the rest of the parts on my old mac. I have a bunch of samples I've created over the years ranging from a screaming tea-kettle to me abusing my ikea furniture that seemed to fit. I used a variety of synths and samples which require me to play the live shows using a foot-pedal sampler while playing guitar. It mostly works out until it doesn't - but it still beats hanging out with a keyboard player.
ME: You were previously a member of the band The General Staff. I am interested to know more about them. Other than Justin Timberlake’s flawed Myspace presentation of the band, I can’t find much on them. How long was that band together? What happened with that?
Ricardo: That band was together for a couple of years and was my attempt to get a “big” sounding bands with several backup singers for live shows. I kind of forgot that we still have a myspace page. It was great and I had some wonderful friends in there but when one of our key members left, I felt it was time to go back to the drawing board and move on to something new … though I wasn’t sure what.
ME: Have you logged into Myspace lately? J.T. has it now so that everything is scrolled left and right instead of up and down. It’s as if they are trying to create the illusion of a smart phone screen scrolling from one side to the other. It’s pretty silly. What advice would you give Justin Timberlake in an attempt to revitalize Myspace?
Ricardo: Justin Timberlake is revitalizing myspace? Are you fucking with me?! That’s just crazy. Ok, I’m googling this stuff and about to learn… will have to get back to this question. Oh shit, I’m watching some news lady on youtube. This is nuts. The irony of a guy who portrayed the facebook guy now becoming the myspace guy in real life. I have to do more research and check this shit out.
ME: Have you heard the new Justin Timberlake album? What advice would you offer J.T. to revitalize his music career? Personally, I would recommend that he do an all acoustic dance album, something similar to Paul Simon’s Graceland, but dancier.
Ricardo: As for his music career – I don’t think he’ll have any problems as long as he keeps surrounding himself with the right people. He's very talented. Good producers, guest rappers, musicians. I’ve heard the suit and tie thing. I liked it. It doesn’t have the club feel of his earlier stuff but I think that by using the more organic instrumentation, it’ll be a slow-burn album that takes longer to catch on but will last longer. Btw, Graceland is a goddamn musical masterpiece. (Because of this question I wrote an essay about the somewhat negative response to his album so far... then I realized it would reveal too much of my own OCD to send it)
ME: I have only ever drove through Toronto. What is Toronto's music scene like?
Ricardo: The scene here is pretty great. There’s an endless amount of music and lots of venues. Also, there are good musicians willing to make the trek from surrounding cities so there’s lots of new stuff happening all the time. It’s great, cause any night of the week you can see just about any kind of music you feel like.
ME: You produced and engineered this album yourself. You also shot, directed, and edited your videos. Did you have training in these fields, or are these self-taught skills?
Ricardo: Well the video stuff is something I took in college. I’ve directed some small projects and am looking to make that a bigger part of my creative development. I recently directed a short horror movie with some friends at a cottage called “DEAD WAKE”. It’s goofy and pretty lo-budget but was a ton of fun to make. As for the music stuff – that was self-taught. I got some music software and have been trying to learn for years now. It’s a slow progression for me, but despite the fact that my limitations keep it lo-fi, I’m glad that at least our songs get out into the world a little.
ME: There is big money in exploiting the hopes and dreams of musicians. Services like Sonic Bids and even SXSW make tons of money off of selling bands the hope that they might get discovered. Truth is, there are zero examples of any band that ever got discovered through any of those services. Why do you think bands keep falling for it and paying the fees? .... It reminds me of when I was 18. I didn’t want to work, but I needed money. I would look in the paper for help wanted, and instead of putting in an application for the ditch digging job, I would send $5 to the person that offered to teach me how to work from home and earn $10K a week.
Ricardo: Yeah, it’s a frustrating thing and the “opportunities” that arise from paying to play don’t seem to have a payoff if they even come to fruition at all. I understand that some festivals have so many people applying that the processing becomes a time consuming and people need to get paid – but it’s just a shitty thing to profit from the earnest desperation of struggling, young and mostly broke. [Especially] when all you have offer is a bad slot in an empty bar where the sound guy and everyone involved is stretched so thin that their patience is eroded and their work suffers. I think that bands should focus on throwing their own parties and events and just serve their friends and fan base. Our best shows (like our CD release) are always things we put together ourselves. If you can give your audience something more than just a show… an event… an incredible party – they’ll come back and bring more people. Paying money for a shitty slot can be demoralizing and more hurtful to a band’s psyche than people realize.
ME: Amen
Ricardo: That being said I've applied for a couple of Toronto festivals cause having those wristbands makes me feel good.
ME: Assuming you are starving musicians, what field of the labor force do the two of you do full time to pay the bills?
Ricardo: I work in tv, editing show promos and movie trailers and Robyn works for a hotel.
ME: For the last 10 years when somebody talks about the next big thing, that band never become a big thing. Right now Alabama Shakes is the next big thing. I am going to go ahead and predict they wont hold the public’s attention for the amount of time it takes to complete a tour. Why do you think the music buying world is so eager to embrace the mundane?
Ricardo: Embrace the mundane… oh, that’s a loaded question. I’ll just say that people will embrace the comfortable. What they feel they already know on some level. They can give it a name and put it in a safe place - that makes it easy to buy and easy to sell. Put a label on a piece of music and consumers can immediately decide whether they want to do dishes to it, drive to it or fuck to it. It's a factor that's far enough out of my hands that I try not to think much about. I make the music that I’d want to listen to and worrying about what I think other people may want from me would give me too many reasons to not experiment and be honest. If people like what I do, that's fucking wonderful... but if I don't enjoy it, what's the point?
ME: When can we expect a Skinny Bitches LP?
Ricardo: Hopefully in September. I'm writing and recording at night and in every moment I can spare.
ME: What are your top favorite bands of all time?
Ricardo: That's tough. i'll skip the obvious ones (like Radiohead, Beatles). The band I listen to most is probably the Strokes. They're not the all time amazing-est, but their songs are impossible for me to get sick of. The best singer ever was probably Otis Redding. People forget that he was only about 26 when he died... he had so much great music left in him that we'll never hear. I'm fascinated by Fleetwood Mac. The cumulative talent is staggering and the stories are bananas. Watch the VH1 making of Rumours if you doubt me.
ME: Not to say that it sounds like it is from that period, but your music has an early fifties feel to it., kind of pre-Elvis rock. Do you draw any influences from that time in music?
Ricardo: Yeah, definitely. Part of that is trying to write for a boy/girl combo. This is the first time I've written vocal parts for someone else on a regular basis and my templates often tied into old duets. Also, bands like Raveonettes do the mix of vintage harmonies with modern sounds really well and I thought it would be a good place to draw inspiration from. Remember, this first EP is a snapshot of us figuring out who and what Skinny Bitches is. The new material will be an extension of that and will have much better focus.
ME: I remember when Ace of Base came out. In a news teaser on MTV Kurt Loder said “Ace of Base: The next ABBA or just another Roxette?” I like to imagine Roxette in their dirty hotel room watching MTV with a single tear running down their cheek like the Indian in the liter commercial. My question: Skinny Bitches, the next White Stripes or just another Sleigh Bells?
Ricardo: Haha! To be honest, neither. The trouble with being a one-hit wonder is that first – you have to write a hit. From where I sit that’s real fucking hard. How hard? I don’t even know cause I’ve never written one. Maybe I accidentally came close and forgot to hit record – but I wouldn’t know it if I did. There are some great career bands and incredibly accomplished artists who have never had consistent singles chart success. Look at the Grateful Dead or Patti Smith. I read somewhere that Patti Smith’s only top 40 song was written by Bruce Springsteen (though I could be wrong). I think that our value as Skinny Bitches will only be judged after we have a few albums and hopefully along the way we do enough interesting things to warrant conversation. ME: Will Skinny Bitches survive and continue to release albums even if commercial success eludes you?
Ricardo: One of my favourite quotes, which I believe, can be attributed to a member of Queens of the Stone Age: "There is no making it. Just doing it." So yeah.
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Acquire the new Skinny Bitches EP at Bandcamp
Follow them on Facebook at:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Skinny-Bitches
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Not to say this is the way to determine what is good, but it is simply the method I use: If you hear it once and can’t get it out of your head, then it’s good. If you have to listen to it multiple times to warm up to it, then it is less than good.
Unknown and unheard by most, the new EP titled Debut by the band Skinny Bitches is a breath of fresh air in the otherwise overwhelming stench of today’s up and comers. They are polished, and flawed and quietly strepitous. Their songs have hooks, and their lyrics have meaning. They are, without a doubt, good. In a sea of mediocrity, from north of the border in the town of Toronto the beacon of Skinny Bitches shines through.
The band is a two piece with Robyn Craig on lead vocals and drums, and Ricardo Temporao on lead vocals and guitar. The pair’s vocals play off one another in a Buckingham / Nicks fashion that fits. The music is high energy guitar driven dance-rock, and the lyrics are sharp and insightful. In the break up song Is You Suffering, Ricardo sings "I don't like it when you're hurt, but I kind of hope you're wounded" and Robyn sings "nothing validates love like the aching eyes that watch it move on."
In a recent email exchange, Ricardo and I were able to discuss the band’s origins, it’s influences, and it’s possible future.
ME: Tell me about the formation of Skinny Bitches.
Ricardo: Robyn and I were old friends who had lost touch for a year before we ran into each other in early 2011. She had been playing drums for nearly 2 years. I was about a year removed from swearing off bands forever and was hosting the occasional open mic night for beer money and tepid applause. We discussed hanging out jamming just for fun (though I secretly wanted to be in a band again). I emailed her a couple of demos I recorded at home and a couple of weeks later we met at the jam space she shared with her bandmates in a group called "Ravaged by Wolves". As soon as Robyn opened her mouth to sing along with me, I knew I had to steal her from the wolves.
I suggested the name "Skinny Bitches". It was inspired by listening to one of my female co-workers talk with sweet derision about some girls down the hall. Within 6 months we played our first show for friends, but I was having a hard time sort out how to get the right sound live. We played a bunch of small shows in Toronto and Montreal and things began to progress.
Still, I had to figure out how to make a 2 piece more loud and less shitty, so I went around to guitar shops asking pedal wizards and guitar techs for advice on a simple yet effective setup. It took a lot of experimenting and renting gear but I sorted out what worked for me. I followed that by listening almost exclusively to Death From Above and Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" for about 6 months. We kept playing shows and I started figuring out how to write for a male/female vocal combo.
In February of 2012 we spent a weekend in Hamilton recording with a soundguy who said he like us and wanted to release our stuff on his label but for whatever reason, the mixes never got done and the whole thing fizzled. It was disheartening, but we decided to move forward and try recording on our own. We went to a small studio to record drums and I did the rest of the parts on my old mac. I have a bunch of samples I've created over the years ranging from a screaming tea-kettle to me abusing my ikea furniture that seemed to fit. I used a variety of synths and samples which require me to play the live shows using a foot-pedal sampler while playing guitar. It mostly works out until it doesn't - but it still beats hanging out with a keyboard player.
ME: You were previously a member of the band The General Staff. I am interested to know more about them. Other than Justin Timberlake’s flawed Myspace presentation of the band, I can’t find much on them. How long was that band together? What happened with that?
Ricardo: That band was together for a couple of years and was my attempt to get a “big” sounding bands with several backup singers for live shows. I kind of forgot that we still have a myspace page. It was great and I had some wonderful friends in there but when one of our key members left, I felt it was time to go back to the drawing board and move on to something new … though I wasn’t sure what.
ME: Have you logged into Myspace lately? J.T. has it now so that everything is scrolled left and right instead of up and down. It’s as if they are trying to create the illusion of a smart phone screen scrolling from one side to the other. It’s pretty silly. What advice would you give Justin Timberlake in an attempt to revitalize Myspace?
Ricardo: Justin Timberlake is revitalizing myspace? Are you fucking with me?! That’s just crazy. Ok, I’m googling this stuff and about to learn… will have to get back to this question. Oh shit, I’m watching some news lady on youtube. This is nuts. The irony of a guy who portrayed the facebook guy now becoming the myspace guy in real life. I have to do more research and check this shit out.
ME: Have you heard the new Justin Timberlake album? What advice would you offer J.T. to revitalize his music career? Personally, I would recommend that he do an all acoustic dance album, something similar to Paul Simon’s Graceland, but dancier.
Ricardo: As for his music career – I don’t think he’ll have any problems as long as he keeps surrounding himself with the right people. He's very talented. Good producers, guest rappers, musicians. I’ve heard the suit and tie thing. I liked it. It doesn’t have the club feel of his earlier stuff but I think that by using the more organic instrumentation, it’ll be a slow-burn album that takes longer to catch on but will last longer. Btw, Graceland is a goddamn musical masterpiece. (Because of this question I wrote an essay about the somewhat negative response to his album so far... then I realized it would reveal too much of my own OCD to send it)
ME: I have only ever drove through Toronto. What is Toronto's music scene like?
Ricardo: The scene here is pretty great. There’s an endless amount of music and lots of venues. Also, there are good musicians willing to make the trek from surrounding cities so there’s lots of new stuff happening all the time. It’s great, cause any night of the week you can see just about any kind of music you feel like.
ME: You produced and engineered this album yourself. You also shot, directed, and edited your videos. Did you have training in these fields, or are these self-taught skills?
Ricardo: Well the video stuff is something I took in college. I’ve directed some small projects and am looking to make that a bigger part of my creative development. I recently directed a short horror movie with some friends at a cottage called “DEAD WAKE”. It’s goofy and pretty lo-budget but was a ton of fun to make. As for the music stuff – that was self-taught. I got some music software and have been trying to learn for years now. It’s a slow progression for me, but despite the fact that my limitations keep it lo-fi, I’m glad that at least our songs get out into the world a little.
ME: There is big money in exploiting the hopes and dreams of musicians. Services like Sonic Bids and even SXSW make tons of money off of selling bands the hope that they might get discovered. Truth is, there are zero examples of any band that ever got discovered through any of those services. Why do you think bands keep falling for it and paying the fees? .... It reminds me of when I was 18. I didn’t want to work, but I needed money. I would look in the paper for help wanted, and instead of putting in an application for the ditch digging job, I would send $5 to the person that offered to teach me how to work from home and earn $10K a week.
Ricardo: Yeah, it’s a frustrating thing and the “opportunities” that arise from paying to play don’t seem to have a payoff if they even come to fruition at all. I understand that some festivals have so many people applying that the processing becomes a time consuming and people need to get paid – but it’s just a shitty thing to profit from the earnest desperation of struggling, young and mostly broke. [Especially] when all you have offer is a bad slot in an empty bar where the sound guy and everyone involved is stretched so thin that their patience is eroded and their work suffers. I think that bands should focus on throwing their own parties and events and just serve their friends and fan base. Our best shows (like our CD release) are always things we put together ourselves. If you can give your audience something more than just a show… an event… an incredible party – they’ll come back and bring more people. Paying money for a shitty slot can be demoralizing and more hurtful to a band’s psyche than people realize.
ME: Amen
Ricardo: That being said I've applied for a couple of Toronto festivals cause having those wristbands makes me feel good.
ME: Assuming you are starving musicians, what field of the labor force do the two of you do full time to pay the bills?
Ricardo: I work in tv, editing show promos and movie trailers and Robyn works for a hotel.
ME: For the last 10 years when somebody talks about the next big thing, that band never become a big thing. Right now Alabama Shakes is the next big thing. I am going to go ahead and predict they wont hold the public’s attention for the amount of time it takes to complete a tour. Why do you think the music buying world is so eager to embrace the mundane?
Ricardo: Embrace the mundane… oh, that’s a loaded question. I’ll just say that people will embrace the comfortable. What they feel they already know on some level. They can give it a name and put it in a safe place - that makes it easy to buy and easy to sell. Put a label on a piece of music and consumers can immediately decide whether they want to do dishes to it, drive to it or fuck to it. It's a factor that's far enough out of my hands that I try not to think much about. I make the music that I’d want to listen to and worrying about what I think other people may want from me would give me too many reasons to not experiment and be honest. If people like what I do, that's fucking wonderful... but if I don't enjoy it, what's the point?
ME: When can we expect a Skinny Bitches LP?
Ricardo: Hopefully in September. I'm writing and recording at night and in every moment I can spare.
ME: What are your top favorite bands of all time?
Ricardo: That's tough. i'll skip the obvious ones (like Radiohead, Beatles). The band I listen to most is probably the Strokes. They're not the all time amazing-est, but their songs are impossible for me to get sick of. The best singer ever was probably Otis Redding. People forget that he was only about 26 when he died... he had so much great music left in him that we'll never hear. I'm fascinated by Fleetwood Mac. The cumulative talent is staggering and the stories are bananas. Watch the VH1 making of Rumours if you doubt me.
ME: Not to say that it sounds like it is from that period, but your music has an early fifties feel to it., kind of pre-Elvis rock. Do you draw any influences from that time in music?
Ricardo: Yeah, definitely. Part of that is trying to write for a boy/girl combo. This is the first time I've written vocal parts for someone else on a regular basis and my templates often tied into old duets. Also, bands like Raveonettes do the mix of vintage harmonies with modern sounds really well and I thought it would be a good place to draw inspiration from. Remember, this first EP is a snapshot of us figuring out who and what Skinny Bitches is. The new material will be an extension of that and will have much better focus.
ME: I remember when Ace of Base came out. In a news teaser on MTV Kurt Loder said “Ace of Base: The next ABBA or just another Roxette?” I like to imagine Roxette in their dirty hotel room watching MTV with a single tear running down their cheek like the Indian in the liter commercial. My question: Skinny Bitches, the next White Stripes or just another Sleigh Bells?
Ricardo: Haha! To be honest, neither. The trouble with being a one-hit wonder is that first – you have to write a hit. From where I sit that’s real fucking hard. How hard? I don’t even know cause I’ve never written one. Maybe I accidentally came close and forgot to hit record – but I wouldn’t know it if I did. There are some great career bands and incredibly accomplished artists who have never had consistent singles chart success. Look at the Grateful Dead or Patti Smith. I read somewhere that Patti Smith’s only top 40 song was written by Bruce Springsteen (though I could be wrong). I think that our value as Skinny Bitches will only be judged after we have a few albums and hopefully along the way we do enough interesting things to warrant conversation. ME: Will Skinny Bitches survive and continue to release albums even if commercial success eludes you?
Ricardo: One of my favourite quotes, which I believe, can be attributed to a member of Queens of the Stone Age: "There is no making it. Just doing it." So yeah.
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Acquire the new Skinny Bitches EP at Bandcamp
Follow them on Facebook at:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Skinny-Bitches
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